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		By: monkeyhands		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-291</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;The debit side is that it can be very punishing on parents, and leaves their needs forgotten.&lt;/cite&gt;

Exactly - and the baby needs parents who aren&#039;t completely exhausted. I see it as a bit like the instructions you get on an aeroplane, where you absolutely have to put your own oxygen mask on before you help anybody else with theirs. You need to deal with your own basic needs or you&#039;ll be no good at all. What I&#039;m trying to say is, don&#039;t feel guilty for needing to rest.

&lt;cite&gt;It&#039;s notable that Sears has 8 children, and apparently Ford has... none.&lt;/cite&gt;

So Ford has never given birth or breastfed... and nor has Sears. I take your point that Ford is more full of unworkable crap than Sears is, but that&#039;s not because she has no children of her own; it&#039;s because she has no qualifications whatsoever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The debit side is that it can be very punishing on parents, and leaves their needs forgotten.</cite></p>
<p>Exactly &#8211; and the baby needs parents who aren&#8217;t completely exhausted. I see it as a bit like the instructions you get on an aeroplane, where you absolutely have to put your own oxygen mask on before you help anybody else with theirs. You need to deal with your own basic needs or you&#8217;ll be no good at all. What I&#8217;m trying to say is, don&#8217;t feel guilty for needing to rest.</p>
<p><cite>It&#8217;s notable that Sears has 8 children, and apparently Ford has&#8230; none.</cite></p>
<p>So Ford has never given birth or breastfed&#8230; and nor has Sears. I take your point that Ford is more full of unworkable crap than Sears is, but that&#8217;s not because she has no children of her own; it&#8217;s because she has no qualifications whatsoever.</p>
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		By: hatmandu		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m talking about Louis rather than Oliver James, natch!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m talking about Louis rather than Oliver James, natch!</p>
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		By: hatmandu		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-289</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, there&#039;s more sense on your comments than many books, that&#039;s for sure! I like Oliver James too. Though I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve always shown post-natal loveliness in the face of constant screaming! (I should add that much of the time he&#039;s gorgeous and very cute, of course.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s more sense on your comments than many books, that&#8217;s for sure! I like Oliver James too. Though I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve always shown post-natal loveliness in the face of constant screaming! (I should add that much of the time he&#8217;s gorgeous and very cute, of course.)</p>
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		By: two_headed_lady		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone with no children of my own and experience of a solitary nephew who is being raised 200 miles north of me, here&#039;s what I&#039;ve worked out so far:

- All babies are different

- Routine is wonderful for toddlers and older children, so the earlier you can get some vague parameters in shape the better, but by that I think things like &quot;don&#039;t let them get used to sleeping in your arms or they won&#039;t sleep properly apart from you&quot; and &quot;try and encourage them to eat before bed etc so that feeding times are spaced out as conveniently as possible&quot; are as far as you need to go with tiny ones. I just can&#039;t see how you can persuade a six month old - let alone a month-old - sprog that its stomach can respond to set meal times and I think you&#039;d have a hard time trying.

- You&#039;re lovely and Helen&#039;s lovely, so your child will very likely grow up similarly lovely as he has been exposed to pre-and-post natal loveliness all along. If you believe Oliver James, this counts for a great deal. I believe him.

- Somewhere in the middle sounds like it makes sense to me. When it comes to basic needs, you HAVE to respond now as there&#039;s no other choice. But constant contact sounds like it would be quite a strain on the parent and that can&#039;t help. Stress levels during pregnancy and breastfeeding do have some serotonin-level impact on children (apparently), so ignoring all the advice and doing what works for you is not only healthy for you, it&#039;s healthy for the baby, too.

Also, my sister was booted off Gina Ford&#039;s forum for daring to question her methods. I don&#039;t accept advice from anyone who refuses to continually question and analyse their own methods to ensure they are fresh and relevant. Except my mum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with no children of my own and experience of a solitary nephew who is being raised 200 miles north of me, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve worked out so far:</p>
<p>&#8211; All babies are different</p>
<p>&#8211; Routine is wonderful for toddlers and older children, so the earlier you can get some vague parameters in shape the better, but by that I think things like &#8220;don&#8217;t let them get used to sleeping in your arms or they won&#8217;t sleep properly apart from you&#8221; and &#8220;try and encourage them to eat before bed etc so that feeding times are spaced out as conveniently as possible&#8221; are as far as you need to go with tiny ones. I just can&#8217;t see how you can persuade a six month old &#8211; let alone a month-old &#8211; sprog that its stomach can respond to set meal times and I think you&#8217;d have a hard time trying.</p>
<p>&#8211; You&#8217;re lovely and Helen&#8217;s lovely, so your child will very likely grow up similarly lovely as he has been exposed to pre-and-post natal loveliness all along. If you believe Oliver James, this counts for a great deal. I believe him.</p>
<p>&#8211; Somewhere in the middle sounds like it makes sense to me. When it comes to basic needs, you HAVE to respond now as there&#8217;s no other choice. But constant contact sounds like it would be quite a strain on the parent and that can&#8217;t help. Stress levels during pregnancy and breastfeeding do have some serotonin-level impact on children (apparently), so ignoring all the advice and doing what works for you is not only healthy for you, it&#8217;s healthy for the baby, too.</p>
<p>Also, my sister was booted off Gina Ford&#8217;s forum for daring to question her methods. I don&#8217;t accept advice from anyone who refuses to continually question and analyse their own methods to ensure they are fresh and relevant. Except my mum.</p>
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		By: hatmandu		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;letter scribbled on the top of the bottle&lt;/i&gt;

Fraid not! But I&#039;m not sure it arrived at the bedside in its original packaging anyway. Is it a code which reveals the secrets of baby care?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>letter scribbled on the top of the bottle</i></p>
<p>Fraid not! But I&#8217;m not sure it arrived at the bedside in its original packaging anyway. Is it a code which reveals the secrets of baby care?!</p>
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		By: scat0324		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The stuff in The Baby Whisperer worked well for us, but I think the book most people like is the one which reinforces what they were going to do anyway - we certainly wouldn&#039;t have gone with the Gina Ford stuff, having read one of her books. It&#039;s also not been as good for #2, but when I went onto the website to seek clarification of something (I don&#039;t remember what now) I discovered Tracy Hogg has died, and so there are any number of interpretations of her techniques being spouted by punters on the forum.

I don&#039;t supposed you saw a letter scribbled on the top of the bottle of milk from the bank?  Probably TMI even if you did, but it can be good to know the hassle Mrs S goes through is worth it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stuff in The Baby Whisperer worked well for us, but I think the book most people like is the one which reinforces what they were going to do anyway &#8211; we certainly wouldn&#8217;t have gone with the Gina Ford stuff, having read one of her books. It&#8217;s also not been as good for #2, but when I went onto the website to seek clarification of something (I don&#8217;t remember what now) I discovered Tracy Hogg has died, and so there are any number of interpretations of her techniques being spouted by punters on the forum.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t supposed you saw a letter scribbled on the top of the bottle of milk from the bank?  Probably TMI even if you did, but it can be good to know the hassle Mrs S goes through is worth it.</p>
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		By: hatmandu		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exactly when I feel we&#039;ve got the hang of things. So: never!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly when I feel we&#8217;ve got the hang of things. So: never!</p>
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		By: hatmandu		</title>
		<link>https://andrewchapman.info/parenthood-and-its-discontents/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Guilt-trip&lt;/i&gt;: yep, you&#039;re absolutely right.

As for the other issue, it&#039;s kinda too soon for us to know: at this very early stage, and given breastfeeding, &#039;day care&#039; isn&#039;t really an option. It&#039;s really down to how H feels in a few months&#039; time, but the expectation is that she&#039;ll be returning to work next summer in some form.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Guilt-trip</i>: yep, you&#8217;re absolutely right.</p>
<p>As for the other issue, it&#8217;s kinda too soon for us to know: at this very early stage, and given breastfeeding, &#8216;day care&#8217; isn&#8217;t really an option. It&#8217;s really down to how H feels in a few months&#8217; time, but the expectation is that she&#8217;ll be returning to work next summer in some form.</p>
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		By: drcosmos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, um, when is your book on fatherhood/parenting coming out?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, um, when is your book on fatherhood/parenting coming out?</p>
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		By: drcosmos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cosimo currently relies on &#039;hi&#039;, &#039;bye&#039; and &#039;tickle&#039; with extensive non-verbal communication for everything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosimo currently relies on &#8216;hi&#8217;, &#8216;bye&#8217; and &#8216;tickle&#8217; with extensive non-verbal communication for everything else.</p>
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